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The Qualifiers

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First up, Wicklow in Aughrim.

Nothing to get excited about. Should be a routine win.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 28/05/2018 16:48:06    2104912

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Replying To Cavan_Shambles:  "First up, Wicklow in Aughrim.

Nothing to get excited about. Should be a routine win."
So should the game v Offaly last season but it turned out to be anything but routine.... If they head to Aughrim thinking they will get it handy they will be in for a surprise

Sean.66 (Cavan) - Posts: 293 - 28/05/2018 17:34:49    2104940

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Tomsmith here##
I seem to remember that it as a trip to Wicklaw that ended Donal;s ( Cavans best manager for years) reign as Cavan manager when Cavan scored a late Goal to beat Cavan
Can anyone give me the year ??

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4165 - 28/05/2018 22:54:12    2105103

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2009?

My abiding memories of that game really bad weather, Wicklow had two huge midfielders (including the guy from Carlow Murphy) and they lorded it over us for the entire game. We were absolutely awful with Seanie Johnston getting more and more frustrasted as the game went on, and at the end after one of the worst defeats I can remember it took me an hour to get out of Aughrim.

All in all a wonderful day.

cavandub (Cavan) - Posts: 67 - 29/05/2018 11:24:33    2105217

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Tomsmith here##
I seem to remember that it as a trip to Wicklaw that ended Donal;s ( Cavans best manager for years) reign as Cavan manager when Cavan scored a late Goal to beat Cavan
Can anyone give me the year ??"
Incorrect tom, Donal was not manager for the defeat in wicklow, tommy carr was

Breffni81 (Cavan) - Posts: 183 - 29/05/2018 11:36:11    2105221

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Replying To Breffni81:  "Incorrect tom, Donal was not manager for the defeat in wicklow, tommy carr was"
Indeed and what an abysmal day that was for Cavan. I would not take anything for granted down there. We are far from world beaters and Wicklow traditionally in Aughrim will put up a fight. We should win but I'd be happy to get out with any sort of win.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 29/05/2018 12:26:30    2105233

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nothing to indicate Cavan should be overconfident here. Wicklow if they look closely enough will see plenty of reason why they can win.
Cavan a pretty callow outfit full of non-intercounty standard players, ripe for the taking really

Jimjo (Cavan) - Posts: 70 - 29/05/2018 12:39:30    2105239

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Replying To Jimjo:  "nothing to indicate Cavan should be overconfident here. Wicklow if they look closely enough will see plenty of reason why they can win.
Cavan a pretty callow outfit full of non-intercounty standard players, ripe for the taking really"
I don't think I'd go quite that far, Wicklow in 2009 beat Longford, Fermanagh, Cavan and Down before eventually losing to Kildare.

This current Wicklow team didn't win a league game in Div 4 including loses to London and Leitrim, they beat an Offaly side trying to get their manager sacked before being thrashed by a Dublin team playing in fifth gear.

I was not confident in 2009 going to Aughrim that we'd take anything from the game, I have resons to be way more confident this time around. (Not over confident but confident).

cavandub (Cavan) - Posts: 67 - 29/05/2018 13:12:42    2105259

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Ye of little faith. We'll cruise by Wicklow, and I'll even go as far as saying that we'll reach the Super 8s. We had a bad day at the office against a good Donegal side. We were a bit naive with our defending, but we'll learn from our mistakes.

Mattie is the man to take this County forward.

cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 636 - 29/05/2018 13:36:40    2105274

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Ok, i wasn't at the game and i'll not put up to know much about our crop of players. one thing i do know is that a large chunk of them are still underage next year and perhaps will be a better set up outfit next year too. they're effectively a year early, they ran into a Donegal team who were ulster champions two years ago in minor and have been putting in huge work. their manager is perhaps a senior manager in waiting and has revolutionised his club Glenswilly. you could possibly be looking at the all Ireland champions and i don't say that with any hesitation.
A lot of people are on here mentioning cavans lack of physicality and i certainly do agree. Cavan have lots of good footballers but lets face it a stone wouldn't go a miss on nearly every one of them. Now is the time for next years u20's to start bulking up. i do feel as though Cavan are behind a lot of the big counties in this regard. I look at Donegals minors and u20's and there is a big difference. they seem to focus on putting on muscle while our lads don't or aren't made do it. maybe they are but they don't want to, and remember if you go into a competition with the work done and you see yourself stronger and fitter than the opposition it breeds huge confidence.
which brings me to my next question/point. the attitude amongst all cavan teams, even the seniors in the first round of the championship seems to be poor. they don't seem to have confidence in themselves which is leading to poor performances. a lot of you will know what it feels like going into a game where your'e not feeling confident. you feel small, you're physically slower, slower to react. these all seem evident in some cavan performances. but why?i don't understand where the link was broken from those u21 teams. I'm thinking back to the u21 final versus Donegal in Armagh. Cavan by no means played excellent but when they got a smell of victory Donegal couldn't stop them. that for me was the mark of a good confident team. where has that gone?

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 29/05/2018 15:01:39    2105305

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Replying To cavandub:  "I don't think I'd go quite that far, Wicklow in 2009 beat Longford, Fermanagh, Cavan and Down before eventually losing to Kildare.

This current Wicklow team didn't win a league game in Div 4 including loses to London and Leitrim, they beat an Offaly side trying to get their manager sacked before being thrashed by a Dublin team playing in fifth gear.

I was not confident in 2009 going to Aughrim that we'd take anything from the game, I have resons to be way more confident this time around. (Not over confident but confident)."
"a Dublin team playing in fifth gear". Are you sure about that ?. I could have sworn they were in about second.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5524 - 30/05/2018 00:26:46    2105455

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Replying To theweanling:  "Ok, i wasn't at the game and i'll not put up to know much about our crop of players. one thing i do know is that a large chunk of them are still underage next year and perhaps will be a better set up outfit next year too. they're effectively a year early, they ran into a Donegal team who were ulster champions two years ago in minor and have been putting in huge work. their manager is perhaps a senior manager in waiting and has revolutionised his club Glenswilly. you could possibly be looking at the all Ireland champions and i don't say that with any hesitation.
A lot of people are on here mentioning cavans lack of physicality and i certainly do agree. Cavan have lots of good footballers but lets face it a stone wouldn't go a miss on nearly every one of them. Now is the time for next years u20's to start bulking up. i do feel as though Cavan are behind a lot of the big counties in this regard. I look at Donegals minors and u20's and there is a big difference. they seem to focus on putting on muscle while our lads don't or aren't made do it. maybe they are but they don't want to, and remember if you go into a competition with the work done and you see yourself stronger and fitter than the opposition it breeds huge confidence.
which brings me to my next question/point. the attitude amongst all cavan teams, even the seniors in the first round of the championship seems to be poor. they don't seem to have confidence in themselves which is leading to poor performances. a lot of you will know what it feels like going into a game where your'e not feeling confident. you feel small, you're physically slower, slower to react. these all seem evident in some cavan performances. but why?i don't understand where the link was broken from those u21 teams. I'm thinking back to the u21 final versus Donegal in Armagh. Cavan by no means played excellent but when they got a smell of victory Donegal couldn't stop them. that for me was the mark of a good confident team. where has that gone?"
wrong thread I think . this is about the senior team in the qualifiers.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5524 - 30/05/2018 00:29:21    2105456

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Replying To s goldrick:  "wrong thread I think . this is about the senior team in the qualifiers."
i see that. my mistake. cant explain how that happened

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 30/05/2018 10:22:01    2105506

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Replying To s goldrick:  "wrong thread I think . this is about the senior team in the qualifiers."
Mr Goldrick

Tomsmith here

Yes wrong tread for this, but you do make some very good points in some treads and I implore you to keep posting (while I know to apologize is a sign of weakness) and get some preposting advice from a good friend. But back to the qualifiers I feel that this team should not be described as a
young team. We won was it 3 or 4 U 21 titles a few years ago. Where are these players. It would be an interesting tread to see where have these great players gone. I feel that we need to keep all our good players involved

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4165 - 31/05/2018 10:21:25    2105867

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It really is hard to know how to approach the Wicklow match. So what if Cavan win by 8 or 9 points using the same team that was blown away by Donegal. That will achieve nothing. I would rather see something new and promising and win by 4 or 5 than to play safe. Positions 3, 6, 9,11 and 14 should roll off the tongue but this team needs answers to problems here. Are the players in the current panel? I don't know anymore.

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 493 - 31/05/2018 13:28:12    2105963

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Replying To MadgeKing:  "It really is hard to know how to approach the Wicklow match. So what if Cavan win by 8 or 9 points using the same team that was blown away by Donegal. That will achieve nothing. I would rather see something new and promising and win by 4 or 5 than to play safe. Positions 3, 6, 9,11 and 14 should roll off the tongue but this team needs answers to problems here. Are the players in the current panel? I don't know anymore."
3 Killian Clarke
6 p falkner
9 ????????
11 dara mcvitty
14 ado cole

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 885 - 31/05/2018 14:44:20    2105995

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Less than a week to go now. Let's get a big Cavan crowd down to Aughrim to support the lads and get them over the line.

GallantJohnJoe (Cavan) - Posts: 329 - 02/06/2018 12:23:53    2106444

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Lads it's not the players fault .. your manager will only play man to man football. He dosnt want to play systems or sweepers...

kupa (Monaghan) - Posts: 281 - 03/06/2018 01:21:46    2106631

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Replying To kupa:  "Lads it's not the players fault .. your manager will only play man to man football. He dosnt want to play systems or sweepers..."
What about your manager? See you in qualifiers.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 03/06/2018 15:43:27    2106789

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Replying To kupa:  "Lads it's not the players fault .. your manager will only play man to man football. He dosnt want to play systems or sweepers..."
You know what, you're dead right about the systems and sweepers thing. Very good of your lads to underline your point and show how effective systems can be today.

TheBlackDeath (Cavan) - Posts: 90 - 03/06/2018 16:15:22    2106834

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