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Thats not true every year. Over the last 5 years 2022 we suffered a couple of key injuries coming towards injury time against Clare when we were up, and Galway beat Cork in the other AIQF. 2023 Galway beat Tipp, although Dublin didnt show up against Clare. 2024 we were level with Clare until they had a man extra in the second half, and Dublin pushed Cork at the end of the other AIQF. 2025 Dublin beat Limerick. Its not all one sided AIQFs.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20656 - 09/08/2026 15:58:54 2689196 Link 0 |
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Congratulations to the Cork camógs who managed to do what their male counterparts have failed to do for the past 22 years. Well done ladies and hard luck to Galway. Fine game! foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2635 - 09/08/2026 21:30:53 2689227 Link 0 |
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The Cork camogs didn't have to deal with Brian Cody and John Kiely.
Seniorleague (Galway) - Posts: 325 - 09/08/2026 22:43:16 2689239 Link 0 |
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Mixed divisions seeded on previous years placings . Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 692 - 10/08/2026 09:29:53 2689262 Link 0 |
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@Formertownie - just an observation, and not a criticism. Basically, you'd have provincial finals, but not provincial championships. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 4006 - 10/08/2026 10:27:42 2689269 Link 0 |
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Thats true and a valid fair point the other downside could be , u could be 3rd or 4th place team in either group and likewise 5th place or 4th place munster team could potentially make munster or leinster final and potential semi final . but the current structure does nt seem.to be working how long has it been since waterford played a knock out game or had threat of relegation . The trade off would be that if munster feel they are so superior to leinster teams would they back themselves to qualify for at least a prelim 1/4 final . It's not ideal but its something that could work and still keep provincial championship alive all be it a different structure. They also would nt have played the provincial finalists opposition in the round robin series. The pluses more teams , more games , anyone can win all ireland anyone could be relegated a reward for making or winnjng provincial final . the best most consistent teams should make semi finals . It will force all teams to up the ante overall, not every game will be competitive no different than current structure but every game will mattter . If there was one more munster team it would work better . Could possibly make Joe mac winners munster contenders or introduce Kerry full stop . Relegate kildare this year or losers relegation final next year . I ll let someone else point out negatives or downsides to try eliminate them if possible Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 692 - 10/08/2026 11:32:16 2689283 Link 0 |
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If Leinster expanded to 8, it can be the white horse to provide 5 quarter finalists. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 10075 - 10/08/2026 12:10:05 2689294 Link 0 |
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So, 60% to 62.5% from each Prov, regardless of quality. My blueprint again below. All teams play mixed-province, inter-group ties, encompassing all Prov 'KO ties', prior to AIC KO. For ease of presentation, I show a 5-team Leinster, but my preference is to have a 'Lein 9 & Muns 5' (two groups of 7, inter-group 7-match schedule) based on this method: - Munster KO 5 & Leinster KO 5 - AIC with two groups of 5 (A & B) - Groups 'formed', not drawn - Muns QF loser to Group A, winner to B - SF opponent of Muns QF winner to A - Muns Finalists placed in opposite groups - Muns SF losers to opposite groups - There is a Muns trio in A & pair in B - Lein QF winner to Group A, loser to B - SF opponent of Lein QF winner to B - Lein Finalists placed in opposite groups - Lein SF losers to opposite groups - There is a Lein pair in A & trio in B - Merge to form two groups of 5 (A & B) - Each team completes a 5-game inter-group schedule, including all their Prov KO ties (1-3) - Prov KO is 'winner on the day' (1 point each, if drawn at full time) - All teams play in the last inter-group round on June 6/7, including Prov Finals [could be June 20/21 if AIC Finals were flipped (football first) and played on opposite sides of the August Bank Holiday weekend] - Top 6 advance to AIC KO from a combined 10-team table - Top 2 of 6 earn QF byes (not necessarily Prov Champs) - AIC KO targets 'intra-group ties' to avoid repeat pairings - QFs could be 3v6 & 4v5 (avoid repeat pairings, if possible) - SFs could have 'seed 1 v lowest QF seed winner' - 10th relegated/McDonagh Cup Champ promoted - 14th relegated instead with preferred 'Lein 9/Muns 5' (multiple 'Kildares' stay up) omahant (USA) - Posts: 3555 - 12/08/2026 15:28:53 2689586 Link 0 |
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And all 5 would be so ill-prepared as to be beaten by all the Munster counties.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 2169 - 12/08/2026 15:55:26 2689595 Link 0 |
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If Leinster does take the 2 groups of 4 route - the two 3rd placed teams could playoff to join 2 Leinster semi finalists and 3rd from Munster in preliminary quarter finals. Munster keep their 3 from 5. The preliminary quarter finals would determine who emerges for the quarter finals against the 2 runners up.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 10075 - 13/08/2026 13:11:01 2689704 Link 0 |
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So you want 5 out of leinster now?
Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 761 - 13/08/2026 15:21:22 2689725 Link 0 |
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Wouldn't say want. Munster have reasons for keeping the Munster Championship as is. If Leinster expands to 8 and has 4 semi finalists, where their semi finalists enter the All Ireland would be up for discussion.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 10075 - 13/08/2026 18:49:15 2689768 Link 0 |
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As Kevin O'Donovan (Cork CEO) said, something to the effect, do we want to protect our own little empire (Munster) and let the rest of hurling die? He seems to be looking out for the greater good - unlike many of his own colleagues! One good way to prevent that 'death' is to have more inter-prov ties. How about a 14-team AIC (Muns 5 & Leon 9): All teams play mixed-province, inter-group ties, encompassing all Prov 'KO ties', prior to AIC KO - Munster KO 5 & Leinster KO 9 - AIC with two groups of 7 (A & B) - Groups 'formed', not drawn - Muns QF loser to Group A, winner to B - SF1 opponent of Muns QF winner to A - Muns Finalists placed in opposite groups - There is a Muns trio in A & pair in B - Lein Prelim winner to Group A, loser to B - QF1 opponent of Lein Prelim winner to B - Lein Q1 & Q2 winners (SF1); Lein Q3 & Q4 winners (SF2); and Lein Finalists placed in group opposite teams played - Lein QF & SF losers to group opposite teams played - There is a Lein quartet in A & quintet in B - Merge to form two groups of 7 (A & B) - Each team completes a 7-game inter-group schedule, including all their Prov KO ties (1-4) - Prov KO is 'winner on the day' (1 point each, if drawn at full time) - All teams play in the last inter-group round on June 6/7, including Prov Finals [could be June 20/21 if AIC Finals were flipped (football first) and played on opposite sides of the August Bank Holiday weekend] - Top 6 of 14-team table advance to AIC KO - Top 2 earn QF byes (not always Prov Champs) - AIC KO targets non-repeat 'inter-group ties' - QFs could be 3v6 & 4v5 (if non repeat) - SFs includes 'Seed 1 v lower QF seed winner' - 14th relegated/ McDonagh Champ promoted - Multiple 'Kildares' stay up - Shorten NHL to accommodate AIC match expansion What's not to like? - too many mismatches? - yes, this is a near-term price to be paid to 'grow the game' (and still, plenty top matches too!) I'd hope more 'Kildares' would develop with match experience - the alternative? - protect 'Munster's Empire'! omahant (USA) - Posts: 3555 - 14/08/2026 14:57:54 2689885 Link 0 |
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Before the provincial groups came in in 2017: legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 10075 - 15/08/2026 12:58:15 2689979 Link 0 |
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In my idea above, each of those 4 weak Lein counties would likely play two of the others (pair likely in each group). As for their five other games, well....things might get ugly for a while....but could they all become 'Kildares'? omahant (USA) - Posts: 3555 - 19/08/2026 15:55:00 2690472 Link 0 |