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Replying To BigJoe14: "No offence to Michael McDermott, but I see this as an underwhelming appointment. Yes, he has an excellent record at club level, and he managed Clare and Cavan with nothing of note happening, but correct me if I am wrong, do his teams not play very defensive football with everyone sitting behind the ball?
The Meath County board are going to do well to find a better management team than the one they turfed out on their ear." I'd agree he has a very defensive system. It's ultra defensive. 15 behind ball at all times lateral passing and never kick. It might work, but how will the Meath supporters take that ? At end of day if we win 5 points to 4 I wouldn't personally care.
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Replying To BigJoe14: "Now that Banty has stood down as Monaghan manager, whoever is in the running for the Meath job, should try and move heaven and earth to get Donie Buckley as part of their coaching team. The man clearly has no problem travelling given he has gone to Monaghan and Mayo in the past." Sure maybe bring back banty himself :)
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/06/2022 19:52:30
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Replying To FoolsGold: "Mcdermott didn't manage Cavan. He was in the frame for it when Mickey Graham got it.
He done a decent job with Clare. Probably his best achievement was getting Kilmurray to the All Ireland club final. Plenty of club titles, managed in Limerick also.
Would Bernard Flynn not be the favourite with Robbie Brennan in the package?" He's won county titles in Clare (Kilmurray-Ibrickane), Limerick (Monaleen), Cavan (Ramor United) and Meath (Wolfe Tones) with the latter two being non traditional teams and i believe quite young teams as well. Did he win 2 with Ramor possibly FoolsGold??
He's managed Clare and i believe worked with John O'Keefe when he was in charge of Limerick. As you say was in the running with Mickey Graham but that was always a long shot after Mickey and Mullinlagtha
Bernard would have his critics after last season's walk out on the U20's so it could be a very split choice. Robbie Brennan was involved with the U20's this year and they didn't do much. Now they had several lad's playing 1 and 2 years up at U20 this year so mitigating circumstances but the team itself wasn't that well organised so might be a small knock on him even though he wasn't the manager.
I don't think there's a clear favourite yet for the role, one of the regular posters, Joe said he'd heard that Fitzmaurice was the no1 candidate (and I wouldn't doubt Joe he's not a BS merchant like some on here) but 600km round trips several times a week isn't going to be too easily done. Think there's also a suggestion of Graham Geraghty being up for it but given his recent health issues would inter county management be a step too far.
Those are the 3-5 names i think out there in Flynn, McDermott, Geraghty, Fitzmaurice and Brennan,(who might get it in his own right) but who knows.
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Replying To brian: "He's won county titles in Clare (Kilmurray-Ibrickane), Limerick (Monaleen), Cavan (Ramor United) and Meath (Wolfe Tones) with the latter two being non traditional teams and i believe quite young teams as well. Did he win 2 with Ramor possibly FoolsGold??
He's managed Clare and i believe worked with John O'Keefe when he was in charge of Limerick. As you say was in the running with Mickey Graham but that was always a long shot after Mickey and Mullinlagtha
Bernard would have his critics after last season's walk out on the U20's so it could be a very split choice. Robbie Brennan was involved with the U20's this year and they didn't do much. Now they had several lad's playing 1 and 2 years up at U20 this year so mitigating circumstances but the team itself wasn't that well organised so might be a small knock on him even though he wasn't the manager.
I don't think there's a clear favourite yet for the role, one of the regular posters, Joe said he'd heard that Fitzmaurice was the no1 candidate (and I wouldn't doubt Joe he's not a BS merchant like some on here) but 600km round trips several times a week isn't going to be too easily done. Think there's also a suggestion of Graham Geraghty being up for it but given his recent health issues would inter county management be a step too far.
Those are the 3-5 names i think out there in Flynn, McDermott, Geraghty, Fitzmaurice and Brennan,(who might get it in his own right) but who knows." Brian Farrell is another one, I haven't heard anything this time but given he was in the frame last October should Andy have been gone I'd be shocked if he wasn't in for it.
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Replying To Thejoeshow: "Brian Farrell is another one, I haven't heard anything this time but given he was in the frame last October should Andy have been gone I'd be shocked if he wasn't in for it." Fair shout there Joe. Would it be also fair to assume Kevin Reilly is probably also in the running?
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Bernard Flynn would be good. As he is coming via Westmeath it is important the County Board have a say in anyone he brings.
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Replying To brian: "Fair shout there Joe. Would it be also fair to assume Kevin Reilly is probably also in the running?" I would assume so but heard nothing, I wouldn't be shocked having listened to Kevin if he acknowledged it's a few years too soon for him either. I would personally have him earmarked as a successor though and get him involved.
We shouldn't be too long in finding out now anyway,
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Replying To Thejoeshow: "Brian Farrell is another one, I haven't heard anything this time but given he was in the frame last October should Andy have been gone I'd be shocked if he wasn't in for it." I would be shocked if him or K Reilly were in the mix to be honest, no basis as of yet for either to be considered seriously
Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1515 - 30/06/2022 14:31:35
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Replying To brian: "He's won county titles in Clare (Kilmurray-Ibrickane), Limerick (Monaleen), Cavan (Ramor United) and Meath (Wolfe Tones) with the latter two being non traditional teams and i believe quite young teams as well. Did he win 2 with Ramor possibly FoolsGold??
He's managed Clare and i believe worked with John O'Keefe when he was in charge of Limerick. As you say was in the running with Mickey Graham but that was always a long shot after Mickey and Mullinlagtha
Bernard would have his critics after last season's walk out on the U20's so it could be a very split choice. Robbie Brennan was involved with the U20's this year and they didn't do much. Now they had several lad's playing 1 and 2 years up at U20 this year so mitigating circumstances but the team itself wasn't that well organised so might be a small knock on him even though he wasn't the manager.
I don't think there's a clear favourite yet for the role, one of the regular posters, Joe said he'd heard that Fitzmaurice was the no1 candidate (and I wouldn't doubt Joe he's not a BS merchant like some on here) but 600km round trips several times a week isn't going to be too easily done. Think there's also a suggestion of Graham Geraghty being up for it but given his recent health issues would inter county management be a step too far.
Those are the 3-5 names i think out there in Flynn, McDermott, Geraghty, Fitzmaurice and Brennan,(who might get it in his own right) but who knows." 1 title with Ramor in 2016. Think his work in the bank was he ended up in Clare orginally,but done good work there at Club and County level.
He was linked with the Longford job a few years also, thought he would gotten that job as he had a good backroom team assembled.
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Replying To Analyst: "I would be shocked if him or K Reilly were in the mix to be honest, no basis as of yet for either to be considered seriously" In fairness to Farrell, and I don't think he has done enough yet, but he has won a senior county title and done the u20s. If Flynn is acceptable they both would be too. I
Wouldn't go for any of them myself now
Thejoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 687 - 30/06/2022 15:09:27
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Replying To Analyst: "I would be shocked if him or K Reilly were in the mix to be honest, no basis as of yet for either to be considered seriously" Farrell senior championship with Ratoath and Kevin reilly got to all ireland intermediate final with Trim, so they have some ability, even if they took over very strong teams. I'd agree either might be a bit early to appoint but getting one or both involved if they were interested might do them no harm.
brian (Meath) - Posts: 2000 - 30/06/2022 15:15:08
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Replying To brian: "He's won county titles in Clare (Kilmurray-Ibrickane), Limerick (Monaleen), Cavan (Ramor United) and Meath (Wolfe Tones) with the latter two being non traditional teams and i believe quite young teams as well. Did he win 2 with Ramor possibly FoolsGold??
He's managed Clare and i believe worked with John O'Keefe when he was in charge of Limerick. As you say was in the running with Mickey Graham but that was always a long shot after Mickey and Mullinlagtha
Bernard would have his critics after last season's walk out on the U20's so it could be a very split choice. Robbie Brennan was involved with the U20's this year and they didn't do much. Now they had several lad's playing 1 and 2 years up at U20 this year so mitigating circumstances but the team itself wasn't that well organised so might be a small knock on him even though he wasn't the manager.
I don't think there's a clear favourite yet for the role, one of the regular posters, Joe said he'd heard that Fitzmaurice was the no1 candidate (and I wouldn't doubt Joe he's not a BS merchant like some on here) but 600km round trips several times a week isn't going to be too easily done. Think there's also a suggestion of Graham Geraghty being up for it but given his recent health issues would inter county management be a step too far.
Those are the 3-5 names i think out there in Flynn, McDermott, Geraghty, Fitzmaurice and Brennan,(who might get it in his own right) but who knows." McDermott for me at the moment of I had to pick going by the names who seem to be in for the managers job.
Be interesting to see the teams they put together. Flynns will need to be very impressive IMO because he has little no experience as a manager.
McDermott has worked with the likes of Donie Buckley and Mike McGurn in the past so if he was to include one of them on his ticket along with a couple of respected Meath gaa men as selectors he'd get my vote due to his experience and his CV
Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 1095 - 30/06/2022 15:59:11
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McDermott with a ticket of Donie Buckley as coach/trainer, selectors of Brian Farrell & Stephen Bray and Mike McGurn for S&C would be a very good for Meath.
Anyone know who else has worked with McDermott?
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Eamonn fitzmorris has been approached and is willing to be interviewed. He is the number one target for the committee. That's what I've heard.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/06/2022 17:31:38
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Replying To UsernameInvalid: "McDermott with a ticket of Donie Buckley as coach/trainer, selectors of Brian Farrell & Stephen Bray and Mike McGurn for S&C would be a very good for Meath.
Anyone know who else has worked with McDermott?" Not knocking you here in case there's something i don't know moreso asking has Stephen Bray worked as part of back room staff previously that you're putting him on a ticket? Fine footballer no doubt but that doesn't make you a great coach/selector out of the gate. And would Farrell and Bray not be doing the same thing as former forwards. Generally need one defensive minded and one offensive minded selector (Pat Reynolds and Tony Brennan in Boylan's early years and Frank Foley and Eamonn O'Brien would've been in that mold) so would've leaned more towards Kevin Reilly and Brian Farrell, or could Cian Ward do a job given he was McDermott's captain for Tones as a forwards coach and help our free takers at the same time? In the same breadth as Stephen Bray, dunno if he's done any coaching previously and how he would suit the role.
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Replying To Thejoeshow: "I would agree and I don't think he is appointed just has a few backers and name gone in, that's the extent I am aware of" Now what i seen of tones was 2 inside forwards.defending wing forwards.and cian ward pinging balls into space.this will be same plan id imagine this year.meath footnall is predictable most teams run thd ball with manic tackling(fouling).mcdermott seen this very clever to be honest maybe with good coaching team behind him he'd be just the tinic.on another note mcentee had poor backroom team at the end it was his worse.but i say thats more about him not listening to anyone.
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Replying To Thejoeshow: "Brian Farrell is another one, I haven't heard anything this time but given he was in the frame last October should Andy have been gone I'd be shocked if he wasn't in for it." Shortlist hardly inspires...
McDermott probably pick of the bunch. Usually has his teams well organised with everyone knowing their role and has a track record of overachieving with resources available.
bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1859 - 30/06/2022 18:14:05
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If McDermott is manager it will be very underwhelming choice as manager. McDermott doesn't have CV manage Meath. He is very good club manager. But there is no evidence he is top class inter County manager. He has never managed successfully at the top level. The only inter County Job he was in running in last ten years was Longford job and Cavan job. Longford was nearly ten years ago. Longford picked Jack Sheedy instead. If he is such brillant manager why didn't kildare louth Offaly laois Longford Westmeath even leitrim or Sligo pick him as manager in last 5 or 6 years. Well the reason is his only inter County experience was managing div 3 team Clare for 3 years ten years ago and couldnt get them promoted. And we believe a manager who couldn't manage to get div 3 team to div 2 ten years ago, is going to get us from div 2 to div 1. The game has changed dramatically in last ten years at inter County level. Yes a good club manager but no sucesss at top level. If he is picked manager we will have manager with worst CV in div 1 div 2 next year and this year. Louth have manager who won 5 All Ireland titles, one of the greatest managers ever. We could have former Clare manager of 10 years ago who overall did very little with Clare. 3 years no promotion from div 3. Winning County titles in counties like Meath, are not standard bearer to be top class inter County manager top gaa manager. We all agree we adore Keegan Cup, we all agree Meath championship is poor, look at the sucess rate of Meath County champions in leinster at senior. The reason he is mentioned is because he won Keegan Cup this year. That's the reason. He wasn't mentioned as candiate in 2013 or 2017 or 2012 or 2010.
Yes he is good club manager. But at certain clubs. And he has managed many clubs unsuccessfully. He managed Parnells in Dublin. Did nothing with them. He managed Monaleen in Limerick did nothing with them. He managed Garycastle in 2013 failed to get them to county final in Westmeath this was first time this happened for Garycastle since 2007. He did managed Clare team to All Ireland club final. But that was 12 years ago. Failed to beat Antrim club in final. The clare club he managed to All Ireland club final is the strongest club in Clare by a mile. And interestingly when he became Clare senior manager He couldn't convince those club players he managed to join Clare senior team. I know this because in 2013 when Longford were looking at him as manager, I know some Longford fans and they weren't happy he was being appointed as manager. Because his CV is patchy. Even though he had just being Clares manager in 2012. Longford went for Jack Sheedy. Longford didn't pick him in 2013. Ten years later no management at inter County or top level in that ten years and yet because he won a Cavan county title and Meath county title he could be next Meath manager. ???????
In 2013 when he was available no one mentioned him as Meath manager same in 2009 or 2017. He hasn't managed inter County team in ten years is that not a warning sign. Only Longford considered him as manager is that not a warning sign. ( Yes Cavan but there was no way Cavan would pick him over Mickey Graham. Mickey Graham would be excellent option for Meath manager but sadly he is not available).He only managed a div 3 team is that not a warning sign. Biggest warning sign is if u compare his cv to All div 1 and div 2 managers this year and last year. There will be odd one out and that is this manager.
Jack O Connor managed teams to 7 All Ireland title before kerry job. Mickey Harte managed teams to 5 All Ireland title before louth. Dessie Farrell managed Dublin teams to minor and U21 All Ireland titles before Dubs job. Loohan and Dooher managed Tyrone to U21 All Ireland title before senior job. James Horan managed Mayo seniors to 2 All Ireland senior finals and 4 Connacht senior title's before Mayo job. Kieran McGeeney managed kildare seniors for 7 years at times in div1 and reaching many quater finals before Armsgh job. Banty managed Monaghan seniors from div 4 to div 1, Meath seniors to first v Dublin leinster final in 11 years, managed Monaghan minors to Ulster titles and Monaghan ladies seniors before took Monaghan job. Glen Ryan managed kildare U21 to All Ireland final and Longford seniors before kildare job. Declan Bonner managed Donegal seniors and Donegal minors to All Ireland final before senior job. James McCartan managed Down seniors to All Ireland senior final and Down u21 before took Down senior job. Rory Gallagher was assistant manager to McGuinness when Donegal won Sam in 2012 and managed Fermanagh senior nearly to div 1 before Derry job. John Maughnan managed Mayo to 3 All Ireland senior finals and Clare to their only Munster title in last 90 years before Offaly job and also managed Roscommon and Fermanagh. Our possible new manager managed Clare in div 3 ten years and couldn't get them promoted before he takes Meath job. Who is odd one out.
Would he get kildare job. I don't think so.
Take another manager who could be available soon Anthony Cunningham. Look at his CV to Cunningham leaves Roscommon in next week r 2 his cv is he managed
Galway U21 hurlers to 2 U21 All Ireland titles
Galway senior hurlers to their first ever leinster titles
Galway hurlers senior to 2 All Ireland finals
Garycastle to leinster senior club title and All Ireland club final
St Brigids to Roscommon senior title
Roscommon seniors to Connacht title and Div 2 league title.
He is only manager ever to win provincial titles in hurling and football with two different team in two different provinces ever. He was manager who knocked Brian Cody's kilkenny greatest all team ever from their perch in leinster.
That's more like a div 1 CV.
Malachy O Rourke is outstanding choice so would James Horan. But Stephen Rochford and Eamon Fitzmaurice are excellent choices. But Fitzmaurice has stated he will never manage a county other than kerry. So for county board having him as number 1 when he has stated this makes no sense. This is common knowledge making Fitzmaurice first choice when he has stated he will never manage any county team but kerry makes no sense. Surely Malachy O Rourke first choice is common sense of the highest order. Fitzmaurice is principal of biggest secondary school in kerry also, hes not going to have time to manage Meath even if he wanted 2. He is not going to manage Meath. O Rourke is the number one choice has to be and is available. Horan sud be number 2. Than Rochford 3.
If they are not interested and we want to go for managers who are from neighbouring counties there are two very good candidates on out doorstep, who have better CVs than McDermott. McDermott seems to me old school manager, traditional manager. Andy was acussed as being to tradition and yet we are potentially replacing him with even more traditional manager. Andy is better manager than McDermott he has better CV.
So two candidates on our borders we should be looking at and one of them maybe both would take job our first Davy Burke. Davy Burke lives less than 10 minutes away from Meath border. He is the best young manager in the country. He is the nost wanted manager in Leinster. He turned down 2 leinster senior manager jobs last year. He was part of Dublin ladies senior management team. Managed teams to county titles in kildare. He managed kildare to their only All Ireland title at any grade in last 50 years in 2018 with U20s. He is only kildare man ever to manage kildare team to All Ireland title and managed kildare to only their 2nd All Ireland title at any grade in 94 years. He managed Wicklow seniors to div 4 titles and div 3. He is modern young gaa manager. He was going to be kildare next manager only Kildare appointed a management team of all greatest kildare footballers ever.
The next option is Cian O Neill. One of the best coach's in the country in last 15 years, if not the best coach. In last 15 years he has coached Kerry Cork Mayo kildare Galway limerick senior footballers Tipp senior hurlers and managed kildare seniors.
He coached Limerick senior footballer to nearly winning Munster senior title in 2000s
He coached Tippearay senior hurlers to 3 All Ireland final 2009 2010 2011. He managed Tippearay hurlers to All Ireland senior hurling title in 2010.
He coached kerry to their last Senior All Ireland title in 2014. He is the only coach to manage kerry to All Ireland title who is not from Kerry.
He coached Mayo to Connacht senior title's under James Horan
He managed kildare snrs footballers from div 3 to div 1. He managed kildare snrs to their first leinster final in 8 years and to super 8s. He managed kildare to their only victory over top team in championship in last 21 years v Mayo in 2018.
He is currently coach to Galway seniors. He has coached Galway seniors to Connacht title and All Ireland semi final maybe even All Ireland title in coming weeks.
Galway were struggling under Joyce in first two years. O Neill comes in year 3 and Galway improve massively. People are putting Galways improvement down to O Neill. Galway are potential All Ireland winners in coming week. And there improvement is seen as down to O Neill.
ONeill is head of Sport science in Cork IT He has top gaa coach for last 15 years. Everywhere he goes he is successful and he has inter County management experience with kildare in div 1 recently. He is not a manager at moment. If Meath County board offer him job you would have to say he could definitely take it seen he has involved with country teams from Mayo to kildare Galway to Tippearay for 15 years. Anyone who work with him says he phenomenonal coach. We need a manager who is modern day tactically aware coach at top level. O Neill is the best in business. And he is not managing team currently. Why would we pick a manager who only top level experience is ten years ago at div 3 while we could get best young manager in the country or possibly best coach in the country who has also managed at top level at inter County recently.
Malachy O Rourke is outstanding choice than Horan Rochford. No disrespect to McDermott, Meath job is the biggest job in Meath life. We want to become One of best teams in the country something we haven't done in 20 years. Barry, Coyle, O Brien, Banty, O Dowd, McEntee have all failed to do so. Barry Coyle and McEntee had better CV than McDermott especially Andy. We need a better manager than Andy. Malachy O Rourke is better manager than Andy so is Stephen Rochford, James Horan also would be a brillant choice. Cian O Neill is better coach manager than Andy. Everywhere James Horan has gone he has being successful even at top level inter County. Everywhere Malachy O Rourke has gone he has been successful. Everywhere Davy Burke has gone he has being successful. Everywhere Cian O Neill goes he has being successful. Not Everywhere Michael mcdermont goes is he successful. He wasn't successful at inter County. Yes he has being successful with some clubs. But he has being unsuccessful with other clubs like Parnells in Dublin, Monaleen in Limerick and Garycastle in Westmeath.
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Replying To Thejoeshow: "In fairness to Farrell, and I don't think he has done enough yet, but he has won a senior county title and done the u20s. If Flynn is acceptable they both would be too. I
Wouldn't go for any of them myself now" Agree, but I think the Senior that Farrell won with Ratoath was laid on for him in reality by Davy Byrne, Ratoath fell over the line with Farell, partly due to the disharmony in squad. I would argue Lar Wall has better credentials given his work with a limited Kells team
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Replying To UsernameInvalid: "McDermott with a ticket of Donie Buckley as coach/trainer, selectors of Brian Farrell & Stephen Bray and Mike McGurn for S&C would be a very good for Meath.
Anyone know who else has worked with McDermott?" Where did you pull Stephen Bray from ,a former great player doesn't equate to great coach
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